Best digi for mc6

[zaeris]

On the side note, DS efficient usage is very important in doing Boss cards and farming. Therefore not everyone that is not maximising their damage is "cheap". As long as you keep the minimum DS usage without wasting more time that it should have (meaning 3 minutes maximum per boss card), there is no reason to waste extra vitamins or disk on your digimon. I would agree that it is essential to maximise damage by bringing enough supplies with you to ensure 100% usage of skills and such for MC6 runs, but it is wrong to call "everyone that refuse to waste further money when enough damage is available at a minimum cost" as a cheapskate.

Maximum efficiency always brings maximum profit, but Maximum damage doesn't always bring maximum efficiency.

I'm actually talking about efficency with level 6 mc hence this topic title, while boss card and farming are something different altogether. Perhaps im more peeved at people's belief that the 40 ds per tick is a big factor somehow that belief that zeed is better because he only consume 11 ds is rather silly. If you're talking about money which is rather different although chicken combo is cheap and free since it pratically drops from every summon, and it would be cheaper than using 1 disk + 1 large bread + 1 vitamins. But I still stand by that mc6 farming is all about maximising damage to maximise loot which also max profit since you can be press for time in an open field.

I'm not sure what you mean by wasting extra ds since with a burst mode you need to recover skills DS anyway so chicken combo being a drop and the best way to replenish consumes less time overall. Also carding level 6 requires a really strong digimon with 12 At and XX number of CT maybe even lvl 8 would suffice, I would be puzzle if you can spend that much on reinforcement and not be able to pay for BM cost of DS.

About boss cards I find that irrelevent since im never press for time with it.... well I would just use a mega level instead and not even a BM.

But I will call people cheap if they can't afford to pay to kill the minimum because that would be wasting potential loot. I will also call people cheap if they cant even pay for the 40 ds per tick cost of a BM and also people who can't even bring vitamins to stay in their mega form to level and farm.

[RajaXP]

I'm actually talking about efficency with level 6 mc hence this topic title, while boss card and farming are something different altogether. Perhaps im more peeved at people's belief that the 40 ds per tick is a big factor somehow that belief that zeed is better because he only consume 11 ds is rather silly. If you're talking about money which is rather different although chicken combo is cheap and free since it pratically drops from every summon, and it would be cheaper than using 1 disk + 1 large bread + 1 vitamins. But I still stand by that mc6 farming is all about maximising damage to maximise loot which also max profit since you can be press for time in an open field.

I'm not sure what you mean by wasting extra ds since with a burst mode you need to recover skills DS anyway so chicken combo being a drop and the best way to replenish consumes less time overall. Also carding level 6 requires a really strong digimon with 12 At and XX number of CT maybe even lvl 8 would suffice, I would be puzzle if you can spend that much on reinforcement and not be able to pay for BM cost of DS.

About boss cards I find that irrelevent since im never press for time with it.... well I would just use a mega level instead and not even a BM.

But I will call people cheap if they can't afford to pay to kill the minimum because that would be wasting potential loot. I will also call people cheap if they cant even pay for the 40 ds per tick cost of a BM and also people who can't even bring vitamins to stay in their mega form to level and farm.

Everything little thing should be use to maximise damage, players shouldn't be so cheap.

You said the above, insisting that you believe that people should always maximise damage at all time, with all the necessary cost. I also understand that this thread is about MC 6, therefore I started my post with "On the side note" since you made a global claim about damage maximisation. This is why I stated that not in every case you would want to maximise damage, because the point is to maximise your loot.

In MC6 case its true that by utilizing enough vitamins and DS disk, you'll be able to kill most of the mobs possible hence maximising your loot. But with boss card you can barely finish them in around 3 minutes time per card by using cheaper alternatives (for example using ultimate or champion form, in my case I can solo the MC 5 bosses with only my Monodramon and MC 6 bosses with Kyubimon). Going all out with skill-breaks and final form of your particular digimon will kill it way too fast at the cost of your ds consumption. On the other hand, you would get the same outcome with a cheaper alternative if you're not maximising your damage. No matter how cheap vitamins and disks considering your current wealth, everyone would want to maximise their loot, in this case if you are getting the same loot but with higher running cost (vitamins, disks, chicken combos) than it should be, you are not maximising your loot after all.

Sometimes people may appear "cheap" but actually they're just playing "smart", give it some thought

[zaeris]

You said the above, insisting that you believe that people should always maximise damage at all time, with all the necessary cost. I also understand that this thread is about MC 6, therefore I started my post with "On the side note" since you made a global claim about damage maximisation. This is why I stated that not in every case you would want to maximise damage, because the point is to maximise your loot.

In MC6 case its true that by utilizing enough vitamins and DS disk, you'll be able to kill most of the mobs possible hence maximising your loot. But with boss card you can barely finish them in around 3 minutes time per card by using cheaper alternatives (for example using ultimate or champion form, in my case I can solo the MC 5 bosses with only my Monodramon and MC 6 bosses with Kyubimon). Going all out with skill-breaks and final form of your particular digimon will kill it way too fast at the cost of your ds consumption. On the other hand, you would get the same outcome with a cheaper alternative if you're not maximising your damage. No matter how cheap vitamins and disks considering your current wealth, everyone would want to maximise their loot, in this case if you are getting the same loot but with higher running cost (vitamins, disks, chicken combos) than it should be, you are not maximising your loot after all.

Sometimes people may appear "cheap" but actually they're just playing "smart", give it some thought

mc6 card will always be about spending resource.... Well I don't know about dicussing other things like boss card but I write something on it.

Coming from someone that who study a lot of economics the phrase time is money and oppotunity cost makes up what I believe. To me spending a total of three minutes is a waste of time for killing boss cards regardless if its using least amount of item properly to be cost efficent. When I can create 3 accounts give them each 10 boss cards each, set it on free loot and use their CD when mine is down. You can do this on a family computer or university for example. So instead why not kill 4 boss cards in 3 mins instead to save you time to do oter things like farm for money or enjoy other things instead.

Or you can summon boss cards and take it down in 10 sec while you are in a group leveling, and use the other 2mins and 50 sec to level up. oppotunity cost is important but if I think efficently I wouldn't want to waste time if it isn't neccessary.

Okay so I can agree with you that maybe you can be cost efficient but I rather be productive instead and spend my time wisely if not be smart instead anyway that is my troll and cheating example of boss cards, if you can do something faster why not use the game free play to your advantage to do another 3 more and spend the rest of your time farming or leveling, you will end up with more money by maximising your time instead. With mc6 theres no other way around it, with boss cards you can cheat abit and just speeds things up. Maybe some people only have one compute at home awell, bad luck even though I've purchase new ones to replace my old ones.

[RajaXP]

mc6 card will always be about spending resource.... Well I don't know about dicussing other things like boss card but I write something on it.

Coming from someone that who study a lot of economics the phrase time is money and oppotunity cost makes up what I believe. To me spending a total of three minutes is a waste of time for killing boss cards regardless if its using least amount of item properly to be cost efficent. When I can create 3 accounts give them each 10 boss cards each, set it on free loot and use their CD when mine is down. You can do this on a family computer or university for example. So instead why not kill 4 boss cards in 3 mins instead to save you time to do oter things like farm for money or enjoy other things instead.

Or you can summon boss cards and take it down in 10 sec while you are in a group leveling, and use the other 2mins and 50 sec to level up. oppotunity cost is important but if I think efficently I wouldn't want to waste time if it isn't neccessary.

Okay so I can agree with you that maybe you can be cost efficient but I rather be productive instead and spend my time wisely if not be smart instead anyway that is my troll and cheating example of boss cards, if you can do something faster why not use the game free play to your advantage to do another 3 more and spend the rest of your time farming or leveling, you will end up with more money by maximising your time instead. With mc6 theres no other way around it, with boss cards you can cheat abit and just speeds things up. Maybe some people only have one compute at home awell, bad luck even though I've purchase new ones to replace my old ones.

First of all, the only problem about this is how you can leisurely "call" people cheap if they don't want to spend unnecessary money on certain things. That's the problem with making global claim, you won't know where you'll be getting to.

Also that ridiculous way of making 3 new accounts to summon the boss card for you. I guess you're ready to play at least 9 full weeks to get each of the tamer level to around 31+ for your boss card summons, which I assume you believe to have a lower opportunity cost than efficient DS usage on each Boss card which does not increase the time you need to spend for every summons. There is a reason why they put a tamer limitation cap to it.

The thing about the boss summons during hunts does not available to everyone, especially if you're the only one that is doing that, therefore you're slowing down the speed of the hunt of your party. Maximise your time during hunts and carding, it should not be done at the same time. You can always do something in the 3 minutes of your boss card runs, since you'll be only autoattacking to minimize your ds usage(or at least burn all of your ds on a single boss before having to restore your tamer ds in between). You can take your time finding parties or probably take a break for awhile from grinding. Nobody likes a time-waster in their party, at least not me, unless you love to go solo all the way till lvl 85 then feel free to kill bosses during hunts, but I guess that'll go against your claim of "spending time wisely"

[Relvamon]

Answer to this is all simple....

Get a Justimon, get him to AT/CT 12, and spank the living shit outta them Card 6 fellas

Tamer DS saved, Digimon DS saved, Money definitely saved, Backup to Fujinmon if need be.

Too those who were or became cheap, they probably did a lot of work enhancing their Digimon, so they are certainly obliged to do whatever. kthxbai

[zaeris]

Also that ridiculous way of making 3 new accounts to summon the boss card for you. I guess you're ready to play at least 9 full weeks to get each of the tamer level to around 31+ for your boss card summons, which I assume you believe to have a lower opportunity cost than efficient DS usage on each Boss card which does not increase the time you need to spend for every summons. There is a reason why they put a tamer limitation cap to it.

Tamer 31 + is a catwalk how long would it take you to create another account? The only thing I can be accused of cheap is use an alt account for warehousing and extra inventory. I suppose there will be a distinction between gamer and casual players. Maybe I can excuse casual gamer but I see no sense in gamer not being able to abuse anything the system offers, if it it is practical then do it. How many people have digimon with 4/5 in their account. They have already 10+ or just 3+ 4/5, now give each account a 4/5 digimon and you can easily pass tamer 31+ not to mention even tamer 55+ which I do have lying around. although that restriction only comes from boss card killing, to me being efficient about boss card is to just sell them off and don't do them. And yes I believe I'm lowering my opportunity by making a new account and leveling my new 4/5 there instead, basically there isn't much greater reward in having 1 account with 1 tamer having 3 or more digimon over lvl 80+ with a 4/5 size and 12/12 AT/CT enhancement. rather you should,d spread that to multiply accounts.

TLR version The weakness in one should always try to maximize DPS is there must be sufficient reason to do so, there was no reason to maximize dps on boss card but if I gave you a reason, that will justify itself, even if it sounds ridiculous but practical, it will become valid

decrease party %? that depends since I'm at max cloning I tend to do judge how fast my party can kill and whether they are either slow and lazy or don't have the fast dps, if you're the fastest maybe 3 times better then the next best player to give exp in your party I doubt they have a right to complain if you do a boss card that takes 10 sec. I maximize my time efficiently I don't need to worry about other people since the first thing people should be doing is do something in their benefit, as long as people don't afk and do something with their time I will gladly accept that person. The entire party system is to benefit yourself since you rather be getting the most exp, you can say it is for the group but everyone does their own thing, with that, I too wish the coins drop didn't split into group effort because that makes no sense to me. Also, maybe once in a blue moon I might find the perfect party that have full enhancement and can kill at the same speed and even so, people with full enhancement don't tend to do max dps on mobs when you can skill breaking into f2 BM to finish other mobs while attack a different mobs.

TL;DR version In short I support egotism.

[Hinaody]

@zaeris: I would rather agree with your approach towards dealing with cards, which is what I do as well:
- don't kill them in the first place
- if you have to, then do it as fast as possible
- or do it as a side activity (with the exception of levelling up*)

However, being arrogant has never been a good way to get your message across. I am not sure what makes you so good that you can dismiss everyone else not following your way as "cheap"?

Beyond this, don't forget people don't necessarily have the same goals as you in the game. Some people may take card killing just as an entertainment for a short period of time and are perfectly fine at wasting that extra minute to minimise cost. Nothing warrants this to be called "cheap" or "not efficient".

*that's probably another difference between you and me (an probably many others). You tend to view party members as just exp contributors as you only look at how fast/much they can bring exp to you. While this is probably the primary goal, I beg to differ in my approach: I would rather have someone with a 0/0 Ravemon and try his best to contribute than someone with 12/12 Justimon who kills half of the time and slack off the rest, even if he kills 3x as fast. Beyond the mechanical exp gathering, there is the psychological effect of being in it together and contribute as much as you can.

[zaeris]

I think this has gone long enough and people misunderstand points. However mc6 there is no excuse not use all your resource because that is the minimum and spending less then the minimum is being cheap. You can argue other things like boss card and farming but those are irrelevant to me and beside writing something to humor rajaXP to see if he can argue his view since I enjoy debating, however I simply post via topic and it seems to gone off topic long enough from my point of view. So I will follow my advice of using time wisely and well stop here since I've made my point, the rest is a tangent

@Hinaody

that was a philosophical argument using relative egotism ^^, I wonder if anyone pick that up. It has merits and there is nothing wrong with being arrogant because it does lead to productively of every individual hence the party is efficient when everyone does the best for themselves.

there a reason fast kill party exist and even then I do boot people for being lazy most of the time and consider weaker players however I'm all about contributing but someone with no reinforcement trying to level at maze I would see them as being lazy and is more likely to boot them also, If you're tamer 55+ and don't enhance your digimon I would feel they are not serious about leveling. The same people who I feel wasting party exp leveling at maze at 80+ contributing little experience and killing ryuudramon instead, one of the most crowded places also contributing lesser exp. rather if that person was serious about it they would be killing pilevolcamon instead who has a moderate high range level mobs for level 80+ tamer or go b2 instead and stop wasting potential exp.

I will agree with you that lazy comes in all forms of life but people with 0/0 Ravenmon is also as bad for not taking this game serious enough in my eyes. I'm more likely to boot them because I don't see commitment and contribution as you said, There is little expectation but upgrade something and bring bread and water. There is no excuse not to have some clones reinforced.

#on topic:
both kazuhamon and zeed are fine for mc6, but kazuhamon is better with higher stats and zeed can be just as effective but maybe require more investment either level or reinforcement.

[GRGeorge]

So, what is taking seriously the game is to your eyes? Spending their hard earned real money on clones? Or wasting their time, playing for hours, ignoring more important matters of their lifes, to buy clones for those stupid prices? Seriously... I prefer having a 0/0 digimon than buying clones and Bups from you idiots that sell them for 180/250m... Also, i consider those "fast hunt" idiots. Everyone kills as fast as they can... I won't magicaly put turbo im my ass and start killing faster if you tell me to "hurr durr fast hunt"...
Also, arrogance leads hubris, which leads to being a d1ck, meaning being less than productive, as you will spent your "pruductive" time to boast about your arrogant self, tell others how wrong they are even if they are not, because you will be too arrogant to see how wrong you are. Transation: You spent more time being a boastful d1ck than being productive.

[Relvamon]

So here's the overall summary I seem to be getting from some of your generous posts...

You support egotism and arrogance, arrogance which could be useful to instill certain inner motivational to achieve whatever you want in life or in regards to this game, and not to be frayed from setbacks...which clearly isn't what you're preaching to everyone. It seems to believe in climbing over people and that helpers or people need to follow a certain heirarchy to satisfy your cycle of 'acceptance'.

Let's face it, in short, you have a need for expecting people to maximise every single potential they can, just so you and only you can benefit it. Expecting people to enhance at lower levels while you're alright with using a boss card because you believe you're killing 3 times faster...basically, you yourself are not enough maximising your fullest potential with such powerful enhancements and yet you expect people to follow in your own shoes.

This game is heading to it's third year cycle and people, plenty of people have their own reasons why they do what they do. Personally, I never ever used an enhanced Digimon for training and yet even koreans accept me into their party because they know I hunt and work hard with what I got, and I accept their hard efforts as well. I will only enhance a Digimon after getting to Level 90 (apart from pinky spider) because I had the 'arrogance' to know I can get to Level 75 (in the past where enhancements never existed) or Level 90 without needing extra boosts.

People might not be serious in your eyes because they might have other interests which they are themselves, selfish about. But instead of ********************ing, whining or preaching, do something about it and just leave the party. If you're that good as what you say you are, then you should have no problems finding another party, maybe after the game closes if you keep this up.

On-topic contribution: Wasn't really joking about Justimon. If you're a person who is soloing cards, then head to a bug area, use a strong mega with at least 1,400 AT that supports fast skill cancels with cheap ds. In the end, but the time the card refreshes, you should be able to get all your kills in time to use the next card, whilst saving on a lot.